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07-29-2017, 06:10 AM #11
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By the way, the only difference on the front axle weight is the spring. You can easily change to the 6k springs after you get the truck, it will just give you a stiffer ride unloaded. As Rob mentioned with the 5th wheel hooked you actually will lighten up some on the front axle... while it is good you are looking at worst case scenarios will you really load up the 28BH to its max CCC? I can say short of full timing/ traveling for months, I can't imagine putting that much "crap" in out 303. I went through the same as you and planned for worse case scenario but now after. 2 dozen trips I am loaded up for a week with much less then max load... of course you mileage may very...
Jim2017 F350 Bronze Fire XLT short bed SuperCab, SRW power stroke Diesel, 3.31 rear end, 18" AT tires
Demco hijacker autoslide hitch
2018 303RLS VIN#: 573FR3329J3313328. Built 4/2017. Dual AC's, freestanding table/chairs
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07-29-2017, 06:23 AM #12
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Jim,
I appreciate your feedback. Given our usage, which is a couple big trips each year and a handful of weekend trips, I expect we will not be loading to the trailers GVW. The 28BH also has most of the interior storage at or behind the axles, and one large exterior storage compartment at the very back. As such it is quite likely that I can keep the king-pin weight below the estimated value, but I do want the ability to go to 20% GVW if needed to optimize the towing behavior of the rig.
Just to confirm with respect to the front axle, you're using the Demco (which has a factory-set pin position relative to the rear axle) and you saw a slight reduction in your front axle load when you hitched up to your fifth wheel? If so, that is good news.
Edit: added salutation.2017 F-350 CCSB 6.7L
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07-29-2017, 06:34 AM #13
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Rob,
Thank you for your observations and comments. If I went with the AUH, I believe I would set it up the hitch with the ball toward the tailgate. I would also run with the coupler socket behind the king-pin for the same reasons you mentioned. My question: When you used this orientation, what was your estimated trailer king-pin load and the observed change in front-axle load going from unhitched/hitched? This info would be very relevant in my situation.
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Steven2017 F-350 CCSB 6.7L
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07-29-2017, 06:37 AM #14
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2017 F350 Bronze Fire XLT short bed SuperCab, SRW power stroke Diesel, 3.31 rear end, 18" AT tires
Demco hijacker autoslide hitch
2018 303RLS VIN#: 573FR3329J3313328. Built 4/2017. Dual AC's, freestanding table/chairs
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07-29-2017, 07:12 AM #15
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07-29-2017, 08:15 AM #16
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Steven,
I went back to my original loading spreadsheet for that rig (337 and SRW truck). With 3,100 lbs. pin weight on the hitch, the front axle of the truck was 180 lbs. lighter than when not hitched up. That's with the ball behind the rear axle and the adapter in front of the kingpin as you are contemplating.
RobU.S. Army Retired
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07-29-2017, 08:19 AM #17
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07-29-2017, 08:31 AM #18
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07-29-2017, 08:40 AM #19
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This is more good information. Thank you. It looks like your king-pin load (2160 lbs) was about 18% of the GVWR for the trailer (2018 value anyway), which is also good news considering you had a nice load of fresh water (which is something I'd like to do as well). -Steven
2017 F-350 CCSB 6.7L
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07-29-2017, 09:51 AM #20
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Our front axle weight doesn't change either. We have a B&W Companion hitch mount directly over the rear axle.
Jim & Georgianne
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