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08-25-2017, 02:54 PM #21
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Well we arrived at tonight's stop and pulled it apart and everything is nice and tight.
This stumps me as well because I am now plugged into the power pole using the 15 amp / 120 outlet but, to lptxtandem's point, that is still connects to the trailer via the Furrion camlock connector.
AND, BTW, one of my original symptoms was things blipping on and off and, like a big fool, instead of running right outside and shutting the power off at the pole, I watched it until things got out of hand.
Man I love my trailer. It's clear I've put a ton of money and time into it but this issue has me so damn pissed and confused.
I'm praying for my hero's to rescue mePaul "Poppy" and Deb Cervone
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08-25-2017, 05:04 PM #22
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Did you have any issues at all while you have been boondockin"?Backpacker and tent camper all my life, including BSA as a kid and adult.
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08-25-2017, 06:28 PM #23
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Nope. Also, when we first had the problem the other night I thought for certain it was related to the busted up 50 amp outlet on the post so I used the 30 amp outlet but I still used my 50 amp cord and I didn't have a problem. Since then I have gone to the 120 outlet and used an adapter on the trailer side (camlock) to my heavy duty extension cord.
Oh, and no issues when running of the generator or the inverter that I've seen. But I also have been trouble free for a full year and many, many camping nights with FHU and dry camping.Paul "Poppy" and Deb Cervone
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08-26-2017, 07:55 AM #24
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Backpacker and tent camper all my life, including BSA as a kid and adult.
Motorcycle trips across the USA with a tent - 1978 to Present.
02-10-2005 - 2002 F350 SWD PSD and 2003 Citation 10'8S mostly for Crater Lake Ski Patrol.
10-29-2015 - 2016 Grand Design 380TH. It's HUGE compared to a camper.
10-19-2018 - traded truck for a 2016 Ram 3500 DRW Laramie CC 4 X 4 Long Box.
03-16-2019 - Traded Momentum for a New 2018 374TH-R Solitude
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08-26-2017, 04:03 PM #25
The problem repeated after Paul went to another campground. My suspicion is that there is an issue with the transfer switch causing a contact problem which results in an open neutral. But I just don't know how to check an intermittent problem like this that could result in a fire during the troubleshooting process.
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08-26-2017, 05:00 PM #26
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Paul, Rob
Perhaps when checking out the neutral, you will want to lake a look at the neutral & ground bars in the load center. I ended up torquing mine down as it seemed a bit loose.Steve and Cheryl
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08-26-2017, 06:35 PM #27
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08-28-2017, 09:12 AM #28
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As mentioned earlier, it's a possibility of two events causing the one catastrophic event. Paul isn't switching the neutral on the inverter, only the power leg. So when he connects to park that has an issue, the Sureguard isn't seeing the problem because it see a neutral. And since some inverters bond netural and ground in the inverter, it's seeing a return path via ground. As Rob and I have discussed before, the neutral needs to be switched with the inverter as well. That's why generator/shore power transfer switches transfer the neutral as well.
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08-28-2017, 08:55 PM #29
I'm sure Paul will weigh in. It was determined that the power cord was the source of the problem. It was worn out and was replaced.
Jim
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08-30-2017, 06:59 AM #30
Not meaning to steal Paul's storyline, but lots of ideas got put together at the Rally . . . and with significant "consultation" from some who couldn't make the Rally, I think Paul's electrical problem is solved.
As Jim notes, the key failure was the twist lock end of the power cord. It had burned the connections inside the cord end with very little external evidence. We looked inside every electrical box in Paul's rig and could find no other evidence of the electrical fire that had caused the original smoke. But, the wall receptacle where the power cord plugs in is physically open to the inside of the coach . . . this is likely how smoke from a burning cord got inside the coach.
As we changed out various different things, we realized that Paul's original cord twist lock connection was a very loose fit to the coach. Other cords would be a snug fit. Interesting that there was no visible damage to the wall receptacle . . . all the damage was further back in the original cord plug. This looks to be the source of the intermittent loss of neutral that caused the voltage fluctuations that damaged various devices within the coach.
So . . . lessons learned . . .
I am now a firm believer that the surge/voltage protector should be inside the coach. (Even though mine and Paul's are hanging on the post). An internal unit would have seen a loss of neutral fault in the power cord, but the unit on the post cannot see downstream faults.
The inverter/shore power selector switches that Curtis and I thought might be the problem turned out to not be the problem because they are electrically correct DPDT switches. Curtis found these online for reference https://www.amazon.com/Pass-Seymour-.../dp/B00R8MMALK (I didn't even know that DPDT wall switches existed!)
And of course . . . Grand Design stepped up (as usual ) to replace anything damaged through this whole ordeal.
BIG lesson learned for everybody . . . if the twist lock connection to your coach is the least bit "wobbly" (and you don't have an internal voltage fault protector) there is significant risk of loss of neutral connection and over-voltage electrical damage.
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