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    This is probably really close to what it will be.
    http://towingplanner.com/Estimators/...4&lw=15384&a=3
    Quote Originally Posted by JCRICHRI View Post
    Need help. Considering buying a solitude s class bunk house. Model 3740. Pulling it with a chevy 1 ton diesel. Coach pin weight is stated to be 2800 lbs. The yellow door stick on my truck states Im good for 3748 lbs. Its not leaving me much margin for cargo. What Im asking is any one else out there pulling a solitude RV with a single wheel 1 ton??? My calculations seem to indicate I'll be over the truck's 11500 GVW by about 200-300 lbs. I just love the RV but don't like not having any margin.
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    Thank you. That doesn't look too good. What is your opinion? Is there anyone out there with good results with combination. I'm supposed to take delivery in 1 week and hate to cancel.

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    If you are asking me I won't go over the GVWR. I sold an almost new 310GK and GMC 1 ton diesel that I was over my GVWR and purchased a motorhome with 5500 pounds of CC. I didn't want to drive a DRW truck and I always want a Jeep Wrangler so I got both the jeep and the motorhome.

    Others will give you excess why it's OK and if evaluated the risk is worth the reward then go ahead. I didn't feel the risk in my case was worth the reward.



    Quote Originally Posted by JCRICHRI View Post
    Thank you. That doesn't look too good. What is your opinion? Is there anyone out there with good results with combination. I'm supposed to take delivery in 1 week and hate to cancel.
    Last edited by CWSWine; 02-05-2019 at 11:36 AM.
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    I think with all considered you will be over loaded , not by much but enough that I would not do it either. Its just not a safe ride for you or anybody on the road.

    Brian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Country Campers View Post
    I think with all considered you will be over loaded , not by much but enough that I would not do it either. Its just not a safe ride for you or anybody on the road.

    Brian
    Hi All,
    Grand design stated according to vin the unit pin was 2766 lbs. Thier brochure states typical is 2900. When I use the pin weight estimator tool that someone posted here I get a like 3400 lbs. Thats a huge difference and basically kills my hopes for this rv. Are were sure this estimate tool is right?. We don’t pack more than 1500 lbs gear. Grand design stated on call for every pound I added to the unit add 10 percent of it to the pin weight. That would give me a pin of only 3000 lbs with 2000 lbs of gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCRICHRI View Post
    When I use the pin weight estimator tool that someone posted here I get a like 3400 lbs. Are were sure this estimate tool is right?
    Not sure if you're referencing my earlier post, but just in case let me attempt to clarify how I approached deciding if I had the right tow vehicle (TV) for a 315RLTS with a Honda Goldwing in the truck's bed.

    1) I ignored Grand Design's posted tongue weight numbers. Every independent source stated what GD posted was inaccurate for real-world, ready-to-camp conditions.
    2) I based tongue weight estimates on a worst-case scenario, i.e. the trailer is loaded to GVWR for planning purposes. (Note I have a bumper-pull, thus I use the term "tongue weight" instead of "pin weight".)
    3) I used 15% of the GVWR to estimate tongue weight. (15% of a camper's weight is the recommended amount for a bumper-pull.)

    For a 5vr, using GVWR is still valid IMO for planning. For pin weight I'd use 20% of the GVWR. Now add in the hitch, passengers, bikes, coolers and everything else to estimate your payload.

    BL--only you can determine if you're comfortable with your setup. I was going to be very close to the max payload with a SRW (my Goldwing alone is close to 1K lbs) so I went for a DRW. I don't regret it.

    I hope this helps at least a little. I can almost feel the pain of indecision coming through your words.
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    This is what Towing Planner estimated my pin weight on my 310GK
    3,046 pounds


    Here are my scale weights from a CAT scale. So you can see they are close.

    Specs of a 310GK-R weighted at a CAT scale on 30 Oct 2016

    Status from Grand Design Website.
    UVW 12,100
    Dry Pin Weight 2350
    From Grand Design Weight Sheet that came with my 5er and has my VIN listed on the top of the sheet.
    GVWR 15,000

    GAWR (Per Axle) 7,000
    UVW 12226 (Matches Sticker on 5er)
    Hitch Weight 2392
    Left (Street Side) 5326
    Right (Curb Side) 4508
    Cargo Carrying Capacity 2714
    Truck Specs
    Ford F350 Diesel SuperCab 143” Wheel Base 6.5 foot bed.
    B&W Campion Hitch non slider
    Web Spec 4080 Payload
    Yellow Door Sticker 3744
    GVWR 11,500
    Rear Axle Ratings 7,000
    Front Axle Ratings 5,200
    GCWR 22,500
    Tow Rating 15,900
    Truck ONLY Weight Cat Scales
    Front Axle Weight - 4740
    Rear Axle Weight - 3480
    Total Weight 8220
    Cat Scale With 5er Hooked up
    Steering Axle - 5000lbs
    Drive Axle 6320
    Trailer Axle 10,520
    Gross Combine Weight 21,840
    Bottom Line
    Truck Weight (Truck Only) 8220
    Truck Weight (Hitched) 11,320
    Camper Weight 13,620
    Pin Weight 3,100
    Pin Weight Percentage 22.8%
    2392 Factory Pin Weight 3100 scale weight increase of 708 pounds
    12,226 Factory UVW 13,600 Cat Scale Weight increase of 1374 lbs
    Over 50% of the 1374 pounds loaded went to pin weight
    Just goes to show how much weight is loaded forward of the axle
    Factory Scale weighs of 2392 pin and 12,226 UVW = 19.6 percent pin weight
    Cat Scale Weights 13600 GVW and 3100 pin = 22.8 percent pin percentage or increase of 3.2 Percent over Dry percentage
    I’m within 180 pounds of my GVWR of my trucks 11,500 GVWR. We were loaded for a week long trip and we are not full timers.
    It sets about 1 high in the front but only has 5 inches of clearance between the 5er and the trucks bed rails.



    Quote Originally Posted by JCRICHRI View Post
    Hi All,
    Grand design stated according to vin the unit pin was 2766 lbs. Thier brochure states typical is 2900. When I use the pin weight estimator tool that someone posted here I get a like 3400 lbs. Thats a huge difference and basically kills my hopes for this rv. Are were sure this estimate tool is right?. We don’t pack more than 1500 lbs gear. Grand design stated on call for every pound I added to the unit add 10 percent of it to the pin weight. That would give me a pin of only 3000 lbs with 2000 lbs of gear.
    Last edited by CWSWine; 02-06-2019 at 07:38 AM.
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    For us it was easy to become lost in the numbers like a lot of folks and we didn't listen to any sales person. So in guess estimating what the weights would be for our new RV and whether our TV could handle it, we used the kiss principle.

    We have settled on a new max size RV of the 3350RL. 16,800 GVWR then took worst case 25% for a pin weight of 4200#. Any RV under these numbers , we are good to go.
    The tow vehicle is in our signature line, 20,000# max tow, 5,390# payload door sticker.

    Our simple calculations
    Available Payload 5,390 - 4200 pin weight 25% - 200 misc truck cargo weight - 395 people - 220 hitch - 222 fuel = 153# under payload.
    Max tow capability 20,000 - 16,800 RV GVWR = 3200# under max tow capabilities.

    Were good - anything under the 25% we used for the estimated pin weight of this specific RV is in our favor. The reason we used 25% is because of the floor plan big closet up front and the pass through storage right below which will probably hold the heavy items.

    Now as far as how much can we load in the RV,
    16800 GVWR - 12201 UVW = @ 4599# of stuff we can load into the RV.

    this is the way we keep our sanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCRICHRI View Post
    Need help. Considering buying a solitude s class bunk house. Model 3740. Pulling it with a chevy 1 ton diesel. Coach pin weight is stated to be 2800 lbs. The yellow door stick on my truck states Im good for 3748 lbs. Its not leaving me much margin for cargo. What Im asking is any one else out there pulling a solitude RV with a single wheel 1 ton??? My calculations seem to indicate I'll be over the truck's 11500 GVW by about 200-300 lbs. I just love the RV but don't like not having any margin.
    I’ll know the answer soon! My 3740BH should be arriving very soon. My tow vehicle is a 2016 Ram 3500 SRW with a GVW of 12,300lbs and payload sticker showing 3842lbs. My max tow is 16,600lbs and the trailer GVW is 16,800lbs but I know I’ll never be that loaded. I’ll be close on weights and proper loading will be essential. I bought a Shirline 5000lb pin scale to be exactly sure! With the scale I can play with loading and the water tank to see the effects on pin weight. I have no desire for a DRW as the truck is my daily driver in a city environment!
    Trailer: 2019 Solitude S-Class 3740BH
    Old trailer: 2016 Outdoors RV Creekside 27DBHS (Sold)
    Old trailer: 2010 Heartland Sundance 3300RLB (always leaked, then rotted! Layout was good, but build was junk.)
    Old trailer: 1992 Prowler 5th 27.5N

    Truck: 2016 Ram 3500 Cummins Megacab 4x4 SRW Laramie Aisin
    Old truck: 2012 Ram 3500 Cummins Megacab 4x4 SRW Laramie 68RFE
    Old truck: 2003 Ram 3500 Cummins QuadCab 4x4 SRW Laramie 6spd

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    Last chance else I'm loosing my dream RV :>(

    Just had my 2015 Chevy 3500 Single rear wheel on scales with family, dog hitch , Fuel, fully loaded, etc. Actual Weights came back :
    Gross Total : 8620
    Rear axle: 3640
    Front axle: 4980

    Truck has GVWR of 11500. Rear axle from factory is 7050lbs but tires 7000lbs load limits. Front axle from factory is 6000Lbs. Towing capacity listed for 5th wheel listed as 17k. Combined limits are 24500.

    I am schedule to take delivery of a solitude 3740 bunk house next week. Specs from grand design state pin weight is 2900. Called factory and gave them the RV VIN. They state Actual factory PIN was 2766 on this unit.
    Please help:So now I'm focusing on rear axle weights. From my actual weights today I'm at 3640 on Rear axle. Leaves me 3360 lbs available for PIN weight (7000-3640=3360). According to PIN weight calculator someone was nice enough to post here I would at 3400-3500 lbs for this coach (if I added a 3% increase or 3000 if I added none). We do pack light and I could try to store more heavier items in the bunk house for travel.

    Does anyone here have actual pin weights for there 3740 solitude bunk house.
    Is anyone towing it with a single rear wheel 1 ton diesel.
    Would being over the rear axle limit or tire limit by a few hundred pounds matter. My fear is I'm cancelling this RV and being overly conservative.

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