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02-17-2019, 10:38 AM #11
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I would recommend you check out you tube...specifically “keep your day dream”...they live in one full time and have tones of videos on it. Give you good idea of how they hold up. That is how i have done a lot of the research myself for what we are looking for.
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02-18-2019, 08:03 AM #12
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An Artic Fox travel trailer is going to be more comparable towards Reflection than Imagine in terms on insulation. Something tells me Lance is to, but they don’t seem to publish R values.
2018 Grand Design Reflection 337RLS
2020 Ram 3500 SRW
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07-02-2019, 10:19 AM #13
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Sorry for butting into the conversation, but I've been told by someone on another forum that an Imagine is NOT suitable for use in sustained freezing weather. Is that true in your experience?
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07-15-2019, 04:35 AM #14
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We have a 2017 model which is has an "Extended Season" certification. What sustained temperatures does this correlate to? I do not know. We have camped comfortably where temperatures dipped to freezing but this was not sustained. Since the gray tank drain (exposed from kitchen to back drain) and low point drains are exposed I would think this trailer would need some additional plumbing insulation and maybe a skirt to be able to handle sustained temps in the teens. I believe the newer models have enclosed low point drains which would help. I was impressed in how the floors were not too cold during this trip and how comfortable the trailer was over all.
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Jim & Dawn
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2015 GMC Sierra 1500 Double Cab 4x4
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01-16-2020, 02:13 PM #15
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Sarah,
My wife and I purchased a GD 2250RK last summer and even though its advertised as a 4 season rig it really won't hold up to really cold weather unless you do some serious modification. First you will notice that the underbelly cover is not very well attached and there are many gaps where cold air can get in. That's going to be one of my projects this coming summer, my plan is to attach aluminum strips along the frame to hold all the sagging up tight to the frame. Then, unless you paid additional to have them installed, the 2250RK does not have tank heater mats glued to them to keep the tanks warm. THEN, there is only one duct from the heater that is routed to the belly. That's not enough to keep you from freezing up. You would also want to put a small heater in your storage/plumbing area to keep that area above 32 degrees, or an incandescent work light that will give off some heat. Go to YouTube and search RV Living and you'll find a bunch of information out there. Winter camping can be done, but you need to plan well for it.
Rick
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01-16-2020, 02:20 PM #16
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Oh, BTW Grand Design is a great company to work with as long as you understand they are in business to make money. They always try to go the extra mile if you have issues and need to contact them. BUT, some dealers are different. We got ours at General RV in Illinois and had a very good experience.
Rick
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01-17-2020, 09:10 AM #17
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Problem with the Imagine line is that it's not really made for super cold stretches of weather. Low R values and thin compartment doors won't help the cause. Most any trailer built these days will work when the temps get down near freezing at night but then go up in the low to mid 40's or higher during the day. It takes a well insulated trailer to sustain temps in the upper 20's at night and low 30's during the day. You'll burn through a lot of propane trying to keep an Imagine warm in low temps. The lack of dual pane windows hurts as well. Even though they don't provide much more in R value over single pane windows they do keep the condensation away.
Lance is built completely different than an Imagine. The roof on a Lance is lower inside which helps to make it easier to heat. The Lance roof is also all block foam, not wood rafters with R-7 insulation laying who knows where along with reflective foil thats worthless because it needs an air space to work correctly. If you walk into a lance you'll see they have tighter contact areas where the cabinets hang. Thats because they use CAD when building everything. All parts are exactly the same so fit is spot on every time. They also have thicker baggage doors. Lance also uses Azdel in the walls so delam is non existent. Lance also uses a high gloss exterior fiberglass thats thicker than the Imagines. You won't get any mold in a Lance since the products they use resist mold.
Biggest issue with Lance IMO is the floor plans leave a lot to be desired. We prefer two separate seating areas. Only a couple Lance's offer that and the ones that do aren't very comfortable. The dinette seating in a Lance are way more comfortable than an Imagines. But the overall living layout in most Lances just doesn't blend well with our camping style. Plus you pay a premium price for a Lance.
As the saying goes, 'You get what you pay for'. Sorta.Last edited by goducks14; 01-17-2020 at 09:25 AM.
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02-25-2020, 08:08 PM #18
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We’ve been “3/4” timers for about two years and purchased our GD 2250RK six months ago, a new 2020 model. We could not be happier as this model is PERFECT for OUR needs. We pull with a 2019 F-150 5.0L Coyote 4x4, tow package, and Curt model 17500 WDH. I put Goodyear Endurance Tires on and the highly popular Dexter Easy-Flex suspension system (worth every penny) and the tow is effortless and easy to manage.
I did more than my share of research and since the Imagine 2250RK has the two 3500lb axels and the printed GVWR is listed at 6995, I’m careful (and not shy to use a CAT scale frequently) not to tow at a weight higher than 6500 for safety and efficiency.
We love the two sliding doors that make for tremendous flexibility of usage of the LR, Bathroom and Bedroom. I installed a 32’ Visio in the bedroom so if the wifee and I want to watch different TV programming it’s not a problem. We have taken the GD corporate tour in Elkhart and was very impressed.
Because it’s 27’ 11” and 5690lbs empty I would imagine your Tundra would work but that should be up to you to be sure about.
I’m particularly impressed with the insulation and ease of PM, set up and breaking camp. I’ve made some minor DIY upgrades that are probably more personal preference than anything else. Good luck with your decision.Dave and Sue Dion
SCPO(SW), USN, (Ret)
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03-21-2020, 09:59 AM #19
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I have imagine 2800 bh and I used it this winter for snowmobiling up in northern NE. I did not use water hook ups, the campground turns the water supply off.
So with that, my experience was that the insulation was decent. All I did is get vent insulation from camco, and put plastic film on the windows for double pane effect. We had well below zero temperatures every time we were up there. I used the furnace to warm the camper and it kicked at night from time to time, and we used a 1500 watt tower heater for steady heat. The furnace is 35k BTU and pretty overpowered for a small live no area. The tower heater worked great. We had zero problems keeping warm. The trailer has 1 slideout which I thought would be drafty, and it was not an issue.
So keeping warm: all good. Even the floor warmed up.
But again, no hookups. No experience to share there.
On towing, my TV is a 2500. Any 2500 is more stable. Once you tow a few times you get used to it and a few feet doesnt matter. My tow capacity is double than what I tow and that’s my comfort zone. We take whatever we want. We throw stuff in the back of the truck which makes the overall capacity really huge. You don’t need a giant trailer if you use the pickup bed, but don’t stretch the GVR. That’s your limiting factor IMO.
I don’t think you can run the refer when it is that cold.
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03-21-2020, 10:33 AM #20
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Did you use the FW tank and Elec pump? Did u have any frozen water pipe or any other freezing issues? Tks.
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