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01-09-2019, 03:13 PM #21
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The incentives we give folks to build and buy electric vehicles don't bother me much. The number of electric vehicles is quite modest thus far. Besides, the guy with the Tesla probably pays income tax (probably more than me even after dodging as much as he can). He also has to pay fuel taxes when he fills up the 488GTB. There are much greater inequities in modern America so this one barely registers on my meter right now.
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01-10-2019, 09:47 PM #22
And where do you think that electricity comes from. Oh I forgot, the wall. Every source of electricity has detractors be it coal, hydro, solar, wind. Wind has killed more birds than coal could even think of. Solar invades vast terrain where an endangered mouse lives. Hydro blocks rivers where a snail darter has habitat. We all know about coal. Electricity isn't as clean as some pretend. Don't forget NIMBY. Can't put wind farm off Mass coast because it hurts the rich folks view.
I don't see an electric RV anytime in the foreseeable future. Until there is a breakthrough in battery technology that can vastly reduce the size, vastly increase the range, and not cost a fortune, electric RVs are a pipe dream.Last edited by chunker; 01-10-2019 at 09:51 PM.
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01-11-2019, 06:05 AM #23
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Most of my income has come from working in oil & gas, so I am quite aware. I wasn't advocating for fuel taxes, but was attempting to be precise and acknowledge that there may be fractions of those existing taxes that are specifically meant to discourage/compensate-for the combustion of gasoline and diesel fuel. IF that is the case somewhere, those elements of the fuel tax would likely remain.
And to be more precise, electricity does not come from the wall... it comes from the "holes."2017 F-350 CCSB 6.7L
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01-11-2019, 06:31 AM #24
Not only that but it can leak out. When I was in Germany, Army, a friend rented half a house from a German family. The old lady there insisted that something had to be plugged into every outlet because otherwise the electricity would leak out and pool on the floor. That's why sometimes you would get shocked shuffling your feet across a carpet. Some in this country have about that much understanding of energy and sources of it. Yes you can be assured that certain taxes are meant to punish or promote agendas.
Around 2000 the AZ government decided that natural gas powered vehicles would be a nice thing to promote. A program was put in place to give a buyer, or converter, of a CNG vehicle a huge subsidy, thousands of $$$$ as I recall. Additionally provide at the subsidy to put in a home fueling station at virtually no cost to the homeowner. Those that acted fast made out like bandits with the state of AZ just about giving them a new truck and fueling station. Program very quickly ran out of money, someone actually looked at the program, and was cancelled. As I recall a lot of people got stuck with equipment ordered that didn't get reimbursed. I ended up moving out of state so not sure what the end was finally like. Govt run amuck.Last edited by howson; 02-05-2019 at 05:35 AM.
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02-04-2019, 03:05 PM #25
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02-04-2019, 04:22 PM #26
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In time everyone will pay, and pay big. Government is trying to get this technology to move forward and offers incentives. Only thing.....with cheap gas pricing and limited range at this time, it is a tough sell as a families main form of transportation. Commuter car for work, they are great. Once it does take off, who will pay for all the new power plants? Personally, I think its exciting but without the infrastructure to support it, gasoline and diesel will continue to be king on the interstates unless we run them on battery around town and off an energy supplied smart highway for long travel.
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02-04-2019, 04:36 PM #27
All vehicle manufacturers are building electric vehicles (that will have minimal sales volume) . . . because they are forced to, by government regulations. They will also build gas/diesel SUVs and trucks (to make a profit) . . . because this is what most customers really want to buy.
Consider the ethanol boondoggle from about 15 years ago. Vehicle manufacturers were required by governments to build vehicle capable of running on E85 (fuel that is 85% ethanol). This was the "build it and they will come" philosophy. If the vehicles were there, then the fuel companies would follow. How many E85 fuel pumps do you see today?
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02-04-2019, 04:56 PM #28
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Great point Rob,
E85 was a huge waist of money. Its just not smart to burn fuel in our cars that is manufactured from our food. The break even point on E85 in order to save money is to buy it no more than 70% the current price of gasoline. I've never found it this cheap. You will get a noticeable increase in torque but when its burned at twice the volume as gasoline, it quickly becomes a gimmick.MidwestCamper
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02-04-2019, 05:01 PM #29
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The ethanol boondoggle continues. It takes far more energy to produce ethanol than it contains, yet we keep putting it into our gas for reduced economy, damaged fuel systems and net energy loss.
There ain't no free lunch. If "green" electric vehicles were to become mainstream the cost of creating "green" energy and distributing it to fuel them will be astronomical. If not using "green" energy I guess we could just throw more "clean" coal at it. Or perhaps a windmill in the backyard?
It will be interesting to see how all this pans out although my guess is I won't be here to see it.Last edited by Chiefblueman; 02-04-2019 at 05:02 PM. Reason: darn punctuation!
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02-04-2019, 11:28 PM #30
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