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01-13-2019, 05:57 PM #21
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As expensive as these new high tech trucks are spending $2k on an extended warranty might be "warranted".
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01-13-2019, 06:42 PM #22
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If we were ever to upgrade to a trailer that required a dually I would consider the F450. A big reason would be the wide track front end on the F450. You can turn circles inside the circles of the F350.
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01-13-2019, 07:06 PM #23
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I started a maelstrom......
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01-13-2019, 07:48 PM #24
Neil . . . no worries . . . there are others on this forum who are on the same page that you are on. A gasoline engine is just fine for a TT/5th up to about 10,000 lbs. Some of the diesel guys with much bigger trailers forget this when they offer advice . . . thinking about their own trailers.
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01-13-2019, 08:05 PM #25
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The Nissan gasser is a 5/8 ton (bigger than a 1/2ton, smaller than a 3/4 ton). The diesel puts out 555 ft. lbs of torque, the gasser 394. Towing capacity on the gasser is 1,000 lbs less than the diesel.
Don't understand why you think I'm dissing the gasser. Just saying that not knowing the future, I think if I had it to do all over again, I would have gone straight to the diesel dually.Last edited by jim1521; 01-13-2019 at 08:11 PM.
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01-13-2019, 08:42 PM #26
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I think what gets lost in all these gas vs diesel debates is the difference in the towing experience. To me that's more important than the performance differences between gas and diesel. I don't really care if I can tow 16,000lbs up hills at 80mph. What matters to me is that I can tow up hills at the speed limit at a peaceful 1,800rpms with temps that don't budge.
Modern gas engines can tow very heavy loads. But, the engine noise, high RPM's and slower speeds on steep inclines are nerve wracking for many - including me. I have enough to worry about while towing a 5th wheel without worrying if the engine is going to explode out of the hood. Yes, the drivetrains are engineered for the high rpm's but knowing that doesn't take away the stress - for me. I don't like the sound of an engine near redline for extended periods of time while climbing the long grades I encounter out west.
If somebody spends years or decades towing heavy trailers with gas trucks then switches to a diesel, they won't go back because the driving experience is strikingly different. This difference in the towing experience along with the performance differences is what makes people so passionate about their diesels.
I would much rather have a SRW gas truck that fits in my garage and doesn't have an injector pump that might fail and cause $10k worth of damage but I know from my years of towing heavy loads that I would stress out while towing my 5th wheel. I don't need more stress. I retired so I would have less stress. My diesel truck lowers my stress and puts a smile on my face while climbing hills and that's why I own it. I can climb long steep grades with heavy loads at the speed limit with low cabin noise, stable operating temps and low blood pressure. It works for me.
The people towing heavy with gas trucks or those who tow with trucks over their payload rating probably just handle stress better than I do :-)Brian & Kellie
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01-13-2019, 08:42 PM #27
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Jim. Please accept my apologies. I made the assumption that like US mfg trucks, the Nissan gasser would have more capacity because of the added weight of the diesel. That is why I thought it was another shot at the gassers at large. However there seems to be several folk that believe gas powered trucks are pretty much useless. I’m glad you’re not one of them. Cheers..
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01-13-2019, 09:02 PM #28
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Yes the diesel runs at lower rpm with more torque and hp and therefore less stressful. What helps reduce the stress hauling with the gasser is to get your foot out of the accelerator a little. Just because it will take it doesn’t mean you have to drive it maxed out. Just back out of it a bit. Someday maybe I’ll be able to afford going diesel. Until then I’m very happy with what I’ve got and I get to go camping. After all that’s the goal. Nice post bertschb
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01-13-2019, 09:54 PM #29
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Neil, no worries.
I'm not a gearhead by any stretch of the imagination. I have no brand loyalty; I look at selecting a truck the same way I do with any other tool. I'm a big believer in the phrase "If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." A hammer will cut glass, but a glass cutter will do a better job. When I buy a tool, I don't buy the smallest, cheapest one that is out there. Generally if I've got to make an investment, I'm going to try and look "over the horizon" to see if I can anticipate any other requirements beyond the initial one.
In the case of my boat, I only needed to tow 5,500 lbs. I went with the Titan diesel though because I wanted to have a margin - "just in case". At that time I had ZERO interest in buying an RV so an F150 would have worked fine for me. Thank God I built in some "just in case" margin into my purchase or else we quite frankly would have never even entertained the thought of an owning an RV. We would have been limited to a smaller trailer, without even the option of buying a bigger rig. Having the Titan facilitated a truly life-changing experience for us. I can tell you that if you told me three years ago we'd be looking to buy a 44' fifth wheel that weighs north of 24,000 lbs and go full time liveaboard I'd have said you're nuts. Yet here we are: condo is going on the market in one week, it will go quickly, and it'll be decision time on which RV to get.
We've got our choice down to a Riverstone 39FK, or a couple of DRV Suites from the 2015 (pre-Thor) era.
Knowing this we were able to find a great deal on a truck, I got a great deal on my trade-in, and the biggest worry (the tow vehicle) is now out of the picture.2016 Grand Design Reflection 313RLTS
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01-14-2019, 09:42 AM #30
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Not sure anyone really touched on the 6.2 Ford but if I missed the post I apologize. Hopefully someone with experience with the Ford 6.2 will chime in.....I think there are some owners or those with experience on the forum. Engines, truck brand, hitches, and tires seem to stoke the fire burning the landscape for many miles in different directions.
As some did touch on, the 6.0 GM is a very viable choice. My brother-in-law tows a 31' 11K fiver with a mid 2000s year GMC 6.0 and is happy with it. Sure, the bigger hills work the engine abit but it is built for that. Yes, steeper mtn. grades will work it more but the truck is built for that even though mtn. towing is not in his plans. Tranny fluid, engine oil, and engine coolant temp areas all stay in the proper ranges even under hard working conditions. Again, the truck is built for this type of work. His truck does have the tow/haul mode.
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