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    Tool Suggestion for Square Drive Screws

    Ever need to reach a screw that is hard to reach with your powered screwdriver (or drill)? Kreg makes a 6" square drive tool that works perfectly with the majority of the screws on our trailers.

    https://www.kregtool.com/store/c22/k...-driver-combo/

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    As I always like to mention, I have no affiliation with Kreg or interest in any way, shape or form whether you get this tool or not. Just passing along a helpful suggestion.

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    That is exactly why P. L. Robertson invented and patented the "Robertson" square drive screw .
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._L._Robertson
    This drive, in all four sizes (small to large . . . 0 yellow/1 green/2 red/3 black) is common in Canada,
    but only the "2 red" size seems to have been adopted by the RV industry.

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    It's a Canadian thing, north of the border we all use square drive (Robertson screws), south of the border you guys use star drive (Phillips screws)... I have no idea why!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cqyqte View Post
    It's a Canadian thing, north of the border we all use square drive (Robertson screws), south of the border you guys use star drive (Phillips screws)... I have no idea why!
    Hey Cqyqte . . . See the Wikipedia link in post 2. Ironically, Phillips are designed to "cam out" with over torque and Robertson are designed not to. A key difference . . . and why all of your Phillips screwdrivers are stripped, but your Robertsons keep on working .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cate&Rob View Post
    ...are designed to "cam out" with over torque and Robertson are designed not to.
    Hmmm...maybe that's why GD ends up driving all of the Robertson screws right through the thin aluminum in the framing. (Either that or they've never been taught how to use the torque setting on their drills.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by howson View Post
    Hmmm...maybe that's why GD ends up driving all of the Robertson screws right through the thin aluminum in the framing. (Either that or they've never been taught how to use the torque setting on their drills.)
    This would be very true .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cate&Rob View Post
    That is exactly why P. L. Robertson invented and patented the "Robertson" square drive screw .
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._L._Robertson
    This drive, in all four sizes (small to large . . . 0 yellow/1 green/2 red/3 black) is common in Canada,
    but only the "2 red" size seems to have been adopted by the RV industry.

    Rob
    Not surprised with Rob's post here. He's our resident expert on all things Canadian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cate&Rob View Post
    Hey Cqyqte . . . See the Wikipedia link in post 2. Ironically, Phillips are designed to "cam out" with over torque and Robertson are designed not to. A key difference . . . and why all of your Phillips screwdrivers are stripped, but your Robertsons keep on working .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cqyqte View Post
    It's a Canadian thing, north of the border we all use square drive (Robertson screws), south of the border you guys use star drive (Phillips screws)... I have no idea why!
    That's because the USofA posses superior engineering. All you Canucks in the auto industry have benefitted from our engineering prowness via SAE. And don't even try to go there.....you know I'm right. LMAO......

    Sheesh....fastener screw head design is only 2nd to the dreaded oil thread. Me?? I think there's not a "one-size-fits-all" driver configuration. Lots of factors should dictate what type of "driver" will yield the expected outcome. BUT.....

    I think those square drive fasteners is Canada's attempt to remain relavent since NOBOBY else uses them.

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    Whilst on the subject... I use a Combination bit from Bosch that combines the Phillips and the square drive.

    This bit is extremely useful when working on the RV (since you never know what screw was used beforehand).

    Here is a Link:

    https://www.amazon.com/Pcs-Bosch-P2R.../dp/B012CD50AM

    I really like these bits and have been using them for years.
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