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    Angry BC, Canada Buyers BEWARE!!

    Just an FYI thread here, specific to BC trailer owners.
    Our neighbour thankfully let us know some licensing additions we had no clue about.

    First of all mad as hell NO-ONE informed us of this..
    Not the dealer, not the finance guy, not the "trainer" dude when we picked up, not the insurance agent, nobody!

    To legally tow a trailer over 4600Kg (Which our 310GK is) you need to do both a written test and road test to obtain what they call a
    07 "House Trailer" endorsement (From ICBC)
    If you do not and are in any kind of accident, your insurance is void and you could have the trailer completely off the road (not able to tow at all) until such time you at least to the written portion (test) and obtain the successful "learners permit".

    You can also be legal with a class 1 or 3 on your license, (air brake or otherwise) but NOT with a standard class 5.
    Needless to say I will be informing the dealer about my displeasure in not being informed of this, as well as the insurance agent!

    I am unaware of any additional specifics in other provinces, nor in the states.. But do yourself a favour and double/triple check you are licensed properly!!

    Hopefully this saves someone some headaches out there in the event of mishaps!
    (Shame on the sales process!!)
    Ry

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    Hi @Mystudiois,

    Is this new legislation? 4600 KG (assuming this trailer GVWR) is 10,000 lbs. Most of the Reflections and all the Solitudes and Momentums. We have several forum members from BC and no one has mentioned this. I have not heard of anything like this in Ontario. This would affect most 5th wheels, of any brand. Can you provide a link to the BC provincial legislation?

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    ICBC Regulations (07 endorsement)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cate&Rob View Post
    Hi @Mystudiois,

    Is this new legislation? 4600 KG (assuming this trailer GVWR) is 10,000 lbs. Most of the Reflections and all the Solitudes and Momentums. We have several forum members from BC and no one has mentioned this. I have not heard of anything like this in Ontario. This would affect most 5th wheels, of any brand. Can you provide a link to the BC provincial legislation?

    Rob
    There is no specific legislation page, however on ICBC site it has regulations in .pdf form.
    Here is the specifics..
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 07 Endorsement.pdf  

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystudiois View Post
    There is no specific legislation page, however on ICBC site it has regulations in .pdf form.
    Here is the specifics..
    This is a real "eye opener".

    To quote from the link that you provided . . .
    "The 4,600 kg GVW limit is consistent with the
    weight limits in other Canadian jurisdictions and was
    established as a safety threshold between small and
    large trailers."


    I have never heard of this in Ontario ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cate&Rob View Post
    This is a real "eye opener".

    To quote from the link that you provided . . .
    "The 4,600 kg GVW limit is consistent with the
    weight limits in other Canadian jurisdictions and was
    established as a safety threshold between small and
    large trailers."


    I have never heard of this in Ontario ??

    Rob
    My intent here is simply to make sure people don't get "taken".
    Sounds to me like dealers and insurance agents need to do a better job on full disclosure.
    Talk to your agents!
    Not sure if Im able to due to size, but I will try to upload the actual training booklet for 07 endorsement (BC)

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    BC Canada Towing guide (Training)

    This is to prep to obtain 07 endorsement in BC.

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    I’d be mad too but this is something we all should have to pass before hauling our rigs.

    Still no excuse they didn’t mention it in the sales process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tall Paul View Post
    I’d be mad too but this is something we all should have to pass before hauling our rigs.

    Still no excuse they didn’t mention it in the sales process.
    I'm not sure any dealer would point out that you're going to have to invest in new licensing when driving an RV. I know ours didn't. I would think they expect the customer to do their due diligence in finding out those things.

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    Yup... got my endorsement years ago. 45 minute Pre-trip test and a 45 minute road test. Pretty much the same test as the commercial trailer test but doesn’t need the medical and lasts your lifetime.

    Dealers don’t want to mention this and lose a sale...
    Trailer: 2019 Solitude S-Class 3740BH
    Old trailer: 2016 Outdoors RV Creekside 27DBHS (Sold)
    Old trailer: 2010 Heartland Sundance 3300RLB (always leaked, then rotted! Layout was good, but build was junk.)
    Old trailer: 1992 Prowler 5th 27.5N

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    Old truck: 2012 Ram 3500 Cummins Megacab 4x4 SRW Laramie 68RFE
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    AFAIK, this is SOP for most dealers. The ones I visited in California had no clue that if you tow a trailer over 10-15K lbs (4536-6803 kg), you need a recreational trailers endorsement on your Class C license. And if you're towing a trailer over 15k lbs, you need a non-commercial class A license.

    Last year I was warned by a friend in B.C. that they strictly enforce the license requirements and if you're out of class, they can and will impound your vehicle/trailer.
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