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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopy Frood View Post
    Amazing that $20,000 is considered "inexpensive". Maybe to you anyway...
    I agree. That’s no drop in the bucket for me either.
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    I can remember when we changed from 6v to 12v.
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    A few people seem to be getting hung up on my $20k price for a used EV, which is just a number I threw out there. Plus, they're missing the fact that I was clearly talking about EV prices. So I went online and looked up several sources and each one said the average price for a used (non-EV) car today is around $30k+.
    The list below shows the 10 states with the lowest costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Noble View Post
    I can remember when we changed from 6v to 12v.
    Shoot, I can remember when they changed from positive earth to negative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveMatthewsBand View Post
    A few people seem to be getting hung up on my $20k price for a used EV, which is just a number I threw out there. Plus, they're missing the fact that I was clearly talking about EV prices. So I went online and looked up several sources and each one said the average price for a used (non-EV) car today is around $30k+.
    The list below shows the 10 states with the lowest costs.
    But don't forget that there are just as many below those figures as there are above. So there would be large numbers below the median. How many $100,000 vehicles does it take to skew the numbers higher?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Noble View Post
    I can remember when we changed from 6v to 12v.
    Hah, my second car was a 1955 Mercury Montclair. It was 6V. We never knew if it would have enough power to get the engine started skipping HS classes before the administration saw us in the parking lot. That starter motor had more total revs than the engine but every start, battery would just about die before the engine kicked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhittleBurner View Post
    I have a nephew who works for the electric company in Mich. When they came into work one day all of their trucks had been replaced with EV's. The first day many were not able to get to their work site and get back. They were gone the next day. My nephew is in management so him and other managers kept their fi50 hybrids. They love them and still use them to this day.
    Quote Originally Posted by WhittleBurner View Post
    The cold wasn't their problem but the range. They had to go 200 miles one way. The trucks range was only 300 miles. The cold wasn't Mich it was Chicago.
    In many ways this is a sad story.

    Who ever was the fleet manager failed to perform any homework on whether the EVs could do the job or not. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at the fleet records to determine the number of miles traveled in a day and determine if that number is greater than the range of the EV.

    Generally speaking, many fleet vehicles travel less than 100 miles per day and return to a centralized depot at the end of the day which is a perfect use case for EVs since they can charge overnight at the depot and be ready for the next day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveMatthewsBand View Post
    Yes, it is definitely a matter of perspective.
    You probably spent $50k to $70k more for your Momentum than I did for my little Reflection.
    So there are probably a lot of folks who would not call your RV purchase "frugal".
    You just choose to spend your money in different ways but you're still spending just as much, if not more of it.

    You also have to take into account how much you're going to spend on gas, oil changes, typical maintenance... that an EV owner won't.
    Once you factor that in, $20k isn't much at all. I paid cash for the Bolt, but had I financed it, the loan payment would have been less than
    what I was spending on gas for my truck.

    The point of my original post was to point out that there are a lot of inexpensive options for an EV.
    (Compared to the Tesla)
    I also said an "average" price of $20k. But that's for the ones I would want.
    I don't buy anything older than a few years or with more than about 30k miles on it and I wanted all the options, so I'm willing to pay a little more for a "used" car.

    If $20k seems like a lot, you can easily find good deals on EVs for much less.
    Here's a 2020 Bolt for less than $14k:

    https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...-08d89ac25a6d/

    I read some articles a few years ago that Bolt owners were just scrapping their cars because replacing the batteries cost more than the car was worth.
    My opinion is that solar house power and EVs have not advanced enough to be cost effective.
    A guy tried selling me solar panels for my house. Went through the whole spiel. Then I told him to divide my “savings” into the price of the system. It was going to take 32.3 years to break even. No thanks. Solar houses and cars are for peeps with more money than I have.
    Maybe it will be viable someday, but not now for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveMatthewsBand View Post
    I only mentioned used cars in my post. I wouldn't buy any car new.
    But honestly, you guys get screwed on all vehicle purchases.
    I would never be able to afford to live there.
    SOOOO many political posts came to mind when i read that.....but...I'd get banned....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarPoweredRV View Post
    In many ways this is a sad story.

    Who ever was the fleet manager failed to perform any homework on whether the EVs could do the job or not.
    Reminds me of a movie where the dad 'teaches' a kid to swim by tossing him off the dock.
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