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03-29-2019, 10:10 PM #1
Is this Stolen Valor ?
I'm pretty sure most of ya'll know what stolen valor is...
When a civilian who's never served in the armed forces dawns the uniform of say an Army General and walks around Home Depot just to get attention. I'm actually amazed at how often it happens. I think the people that do it have to have a screw loose and even though I've yet to see any of them become violent while pretending to be a General or whatever rank (they tend to impersonate high-ranking officers) they're usually met with quite a bit of violence by real Vets.
(Just do a search for Stolen Valor on Youtube if you don't believe me)
It's also bad when someone who actually did serve makes up stories of being a POW when he never was, or claims to have earned medals he never earned, or a Vet that lies about where they were deployed. We can all agree these are wrong. I don't know why some Vets do this either but it happens.
About a hundred years ago when I was on active duty, and walking through an airport to catch a MAC flight, I noticed a Lieutenant that was wearing his ribbons on the wrong side and they were in the wrong order. I only noticed because I had all the same ribbons. I didn't say anything because I was in a hurry and frankly confused as to why he would do that, but I'd seen butter bars do some pretty stupid crap. I later found out there was an "incident" when a few Marines noticed the same guy and had a little chat with him.
That being said, I'm not saying the incident below is the same thing, but at the same time it kinda pissed me off...
I saw a guy the other day (on a Facebook post) that I've known for years, and I know for a fact he never served and is too old to enlist, yet he was wearing a USMC T-shirt and shorts. I'm not talking about one of those "Proud USMC Dad" shirts, or the "We support our troops" shirts that has USMC branded across the back, I'm talking about the shirt and shorts issued in boot. It's the basic issue PT gear, and he was running in a marathon wearing this.
I was like WTF? I was really surprised. No one in his family served, so it's not like he ''borrowed'' them.
He's technically not wearing a uniform per se, but to me, it still seems like he's purposely trying to look like a Marine.
I realize anyone can buy this kind of stuff online nowadays, but it still seems a bit sketchy when someone who has never served wears stuff like that.
It's not like a civilian wearing dress blues and a fake MoH, but still.
I'm curious to hear what you guys think?
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03-30-2019, 01:19 AM #2
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Agree, not cool!
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03-30-2019, 07:21 AM #3
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It’s a sad commentary on the weak minded.
Must say I have enjoyed asking questions that point to their fraud.
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03-30-2019, 08:29 AM #4
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I retired from LE after 28 years and feel the same way when people wear LE gear. And since I never served in the military I don't wear military type gear. I just don't think it's appropriate. Many thanks to all those who actually serve(d).
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03-30-2019, 09:32 AM #5
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Definitely in poor taste and not cool but, as you said, he's technically not wearing a uniform (which would include rank, name, corps insignia, etc.). I would probably unfriend him on Facebook (with or without making a comment) and just move on. As Old Lodge Skins said in "Little Big Man," "There is an endless supply of white men, but there has always been a limited number of human beings." The same could be said of a-holes...
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03-30-2019, 09:35 AM #6
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I have mix feelings about this subject. The guy walking around Home Depot in uniform try to impress people and wearing military gear that he didn't earn and sign you support the military is another thing. I live in a town next to a military base and lot high school kids were field jacks, flight jackets, BDU pants, and issued Army PT gear. A lot of these kids are from military families and wearing them in support of mothers and fathers in the military. I do believe that "Stolen Valor" is wrong but there a fine line of wearing clothes in support of the military and what would be considered "Stolen Valor". I personally haven't worn my military uniform since retiring from the military but I do have an old flight suit that wears as coveralls once in while. My official dress greens have suffered the shirking since I have retired so I couldn't wear it if I want to.
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03-30-2019, 10:02 AM #7
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I definitely don't like seeing people wearing a uniform who have not served.
Have a little less of an issue with the T-Shirt, but see the point. Uncool if he's actually trying to portray he served.
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03-30-2019, 10:06 AM #8
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Here is an example of what I believe.
Three guys that have never spent a day in the military.
First Guy - wearing a hat that says "I Support Our Troops" I consider at just a guy that supports the troop and nothing else.
Second Guy - Wearing a hat the says "US Army Fort Bragg NC" now this is borderline. This guy I know and didn't think he had been in the military so ask if he was stationed at Bragg and he said no my son is and I support my son. I equate this to my son that his kid going to Nebraska State next year as a wrestler and my son wears a Nebraska wrestling shirt but never attended Nebraska State.
Third Guy - He wearing a US Army Vietnam Veteran cap with a set of Master Flight Wings and the Vietnam Service Ribbon. Now that defines what I believe in a close and shut case of "Stolen Valor" and actions should take place to correct this person.Dennis & Ellie
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03-30-2019, 10:22 AM #9
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As a retired Jarhead this is absolutely bad juju. .
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